"Taxes"????

[Irish]

TAXES



Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

Capital Gains Tax

CDL license Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Court Fines
(indirect taxes)

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax
(FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel permit tax

Gasoline Tax
(42 cents per gallon)

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax Interest expense
(tax on the money)

Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges
(tax on top of tax)

IRS Penalties
(tax on top of tax)

Liquor Tax

Local Income Tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Property Tax

Real Estate Tax

Septic Permit Tax

Service Charge Taxes

Social Security Tax

Road Usage Taxes
(Truckers)

Sales Taxes

Recreational Vehicle Tax

Road Toll Booth Taxes

School Tax

State Income Tax

State Unemployment Tax
(SUTA)

Telephone federal excise tax

Telephone federal universal service fee tax

Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes

Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax

Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax

Telephone State and local tax

Telephone usage charge tax

Toll Bridge Taxes

Toll Tunnel Taxes

Traffic Fines
(indirect taxation)

Trailer registration tax

Utility Taxes

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Watercraft registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS:
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What the hell happened?

[Cobalt]

The government got involved and got more greedy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ranger1930]

the lower class got scared to murder the upper class....

[jay-t]

our grandparents raised their kids to be Lawyers

[Steph]

Yep, next paycheque our Fiberal government is starting to take a healthcare tax out, too. Jerks.

[jseal]

Originally posted by Irish
...What the hell happened?


More services.

[PantyFanatic]

Originally posted by jay-t
our grandparents raised their kids to be Lawyers
Spot on jay-t!!!

[PantyFanatic]

Originally posted by jseal
More services.
So did Karl Marx!:rolleyes:







........... and then came Joe Stalin to “maintain order and security”.:eek:

[jseal]

PantyFanatic,

My response to Irish’s question “What the hell happened?” at the end of his post appears to have been too brief. My apologies. What I was suggesting is that as the size and scope of services provided by government has expanded, so too have the taxes raised to support it.

Take, for example, Irish’s “Watercraft registration Tax”. In 1904 the number of recreational watercraft in use was sufficiently small to not need regulation. Once the number of watercraft had grown to warrant regulation, the state’s involvement required funding. One appropriate technique is to raise the revenue, via a registration tax, from those people who consume the service.

Similar comments apply to the “Recreational Vehicle Tax” and “Vehicle License Registration Tax”, unless, of course, one equates a horse with a Winebago or one of the tens of millions of automobiles on the Interstate System which did not then exist, but which is funded in part by the Federal Sales tax on gasoline. Truckers, whose vehicles place a burden of 5 to 15 times greater on the Interstate System than does that of the average sedan, pay for the privilege of consuming the road service at that additional rate by paying an additional tax - the Road Usage Taxes Irish identifies.

Corporate Income Tax, Federal Income Tax, and Liquor Tax all fund Federal General Revenue, and are spent to fund Federal programs. As these services increase in size and scope, taxes are raised to fund them.

The Social Security System did not exist in 1904, and needed to be funded when created. A tax was imposed to pay for this new service.

As for Property Tax and Court Fines, they already existed in 1904.

Now, as to what Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin have to do with this is something I’m sure you’re best able to discuss.

[jay-t]

Over the years politicans have taken up noble causes (usually in the form of taxes some good some bad) to save us from ourselfs so to speak. But it still gripes me to pay a tax on tea.

[PantyFanatic]

Sir jseal,


My response likewise was too brief and I apologize. :)

What I was suggesting is that the scope and size of services provided the US government has expanded from its’ responsibility to provide me with “the right to the pursuit of happiness” to being the “provider of what it determines is my happiness”. You are correct that the revenue required to do this has also increased.

You have sited examples where organized conventions can provide “uniform guidelines” for safety, but I think our views of “warrant regulation” are viewed from different perspectives. You’ve also mad reference to instances of direct proportional payment for consumption of common services but neglected to mention the situations of the elite deeming what is for the “common good” and often paid for by the majority but serve a minority who just happen to often be the same individuals.

It is the perpetual increase in “size and scope” that I find often exceed the original noble concept of “needed regulation” and the authority and responsibility that grows with them that also concerns me. I find that the redistribution of wealth puts a heavier burden on the ones preoccupied producing it than on the people structuring and administrating it. Both the shrinkage of processing and exclusion loopholes built into it tend to not “serve” the generators or the intended original goals.

How do the bean-counters always end up owning all the beans and never the farmer?

It is my opinion that as more responsibility for our individual well being is “assumed” by others, both the authority and ability to influence it is also taken over. I for one, am not comfortable being dependent on an entity with great “scope and size” providing my individual welfare and security.

Providing utopia is not the duty or the right of any government.

[jseal]

PantyFanatic,

Remarkable! I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with what you have to say. Indeed, the only qualification I might add is that you will find little support in what I wrote above for the extension of the services, merely that funding them was necessary and inevitable.

One additional aspect of an extensive government is that it is more likely to turn a blind eye to inflation. Take for example the looming crisis in Europe as the very generous social benefits seniors enjoy there will need to paid for by a shrinking tax base (employed population). In order to avoid the politically dangerous action of raising taxes, the EU governments may well turn to the capital markets for funds. The insidious part is if then there is significant inflation before the notes are due, the payments will be made in devalued EUs. Good for the politicians who keep their jobs, but bad for the people whose savings are ravaged.

As has been said by many before me, and will I hope not be forgotten; “When dining with the devil, it is best to use a long spoon”.

[Irish]

P.F.---Go tohttp://www.billoreilly.com/ & you will get the OTHER side.There's something about an,Opininated(sp?),outspoken,I'm
always right,stubborn Irishman,that I (personally) can relate to!
Irish