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Old 11-05-2005, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TinglingTess
I still don't understand the big deal in presenting Intelligent Design in class.


Notice that I never argued against the teaching of ID "in class". I argued against the labelling of Intelligent Design as some sort of science, and teaching it in a *science* class. I have, three times now, stated that there's nothing wrong with labelling it for what it is...a thinly-disguised religious dogma, and teaching it in a class on comparative religions.

The teaching of ID as a science (Kansas state school board, several local Pennsylvania school boards, Georgia state school board, and several others who escape my memory at the moment):

constitutes a deliberately-formed, premeditated lie.

The numerous attempts at deliberately omitting the definition of science from school courses in general (Kansas school board):

trivializes the beliefs of others, and allows no room for an opposing viewpoint.

The REQUIREMENT that "Intelligent Design" be taught as a valid, coherent, science-based explanation of the origin of the universe (Pennsylvania, again):

is nothing more than attempt to deny US citizens of their rights supposedly guarranteed to them by the first amendment to the constitution of the United States.

The "quote mining" commonly employed by christain fundamentalists (this is a tactic whereby, parts of writings, presentations, and speeches are taken out of context, and then used to seemingly support the positions of the christain fundamentalists themselves):

is directly offensive, and constitutes a series of ad-hominem attacks.

And together, these acts embody a dogma which is based on personal enslavement, is intolerant of other points of view, is hatefully exploitative and is inherently inflammatory when pushed on people who might disagree with them.

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Originally Posted by TinglingTess
Why can't kids also be told there just might be another possibility?


Because I'm so against a form of mind-control that constitutes an attmept at maintaining the exploitative status quo of our society.

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Originally Posted by TinglingTess
I am sorry you were so wronged by Christians and have so much animosity for them.


Three notes on this last comment:
1. I haven't been wrong by *all* christains, nor do I have a lot of animosity for *most* christains. There is a certain group of christains that have wronged me personally, and more importantly, continally wrong me. My extreme animosity towards fundamentalists christains is the product of this wrong.

2. The same principle applies to religious fundamentalists of other sects, as well, I just haven't brought up in this thread yet, because that's pretty much irrelevant to this thread.

3. TinglingTess, it is not *your* job to apologize for *them*. *You* don't control *their* actions.


Edited note: BTW, it's warm today, so I'm naked atm.
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